On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 4:07 PM, 'Noel Hastalis' via Chrysler 300 Club International<chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Rick,Yes it is! Was also owned by Wayne Graefen for several years. Interesting that Andy logged nearly 120,000 miles on it from new before selling it. Non-synchro 1st gear.NoelOn 01/16/2025 5:48 PM CST RICK AND DEBBIE CLAPHAM <rixpac@xxxxxxx> wrote:Noel,That is the Andy Drum GT. He was director of Nevada highways.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Generator vs Alternator on 300 FYes. No mount provisions and only one head is drilled. I'll have to look at the casting number when I get home on Sunday.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 4:08 PM Donald Verity <chryslerdon@xxxxxxx> wrote:So the Imperial used the 61 style exhaust manifold?On Thursday, January 16, 2025 at 05:40:43 PM EST, Nick Taylor <nicksgaragesd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:I have a late production 1960 Imperial with the alternator. It does not mount to the exhaust manifold. The setup is the same as for 1961 cars with the head drilled for a cast iron pivot bracket. My imperial has A/C. The alternator would hit the 1960 generator exhaust manifold. Of course the Imperial exhaust manifold does not have the heat riser port.I have seen mounts people have made to adapt alternators to the exhaust mount.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 3:31 PM 'Donald Verity' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:The only 300F's that had a factory alternator were the 4 speed cars. They also had special headers without the alternator mount. Some 1960 Imperials had the alternator. There was a special bracket that bolted to the manifold to mount the alternator to. Any F with an alternator was a dealer install in my opinion.Keep em stock DonOn Thursday, January 16, 2025 at 03:57:21 PM EST, 'Noel Hastalis' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:FYI - There’s also a different mounting bracket for non-a/c single pulley vs a/c dual pulley generators, as the a/c generators mount a bit farther back for proper belt alignment.Noel
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On Jan 16, 2025, at 2:01 PM, RICK AND DEBBIE CLAPHAM <rixpac@xxxxxxx> wrote:The installation of the alternator, do you saw off the mount from the exhaust manifold? The GT models had a different exhaust manifold system.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Generator vs Alternator on 300 FHi Danny,You have an excellent point that alternators were used on Gran Turismo Fs.Using an alternator that looks like a generator is a stealth solution. Check out the “Gener-ator” site below:Tony
On Thursday, January 16, 2025, 1:39 PM, dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Michael:
I respect John Grady and his nod to the sanctity of rare 300 cars. I agree with him.
However the AMA Specifications of 1960 for the 300 F call for generator OR alternator. The 4 speed specials came with alternators or so I hear. I've seen the AMA sheets. A round-back should be considered correct.You could have had the dealer put it on. It is eminently superior to a generator in every conceivable way. I have one on my F. John Lazenby installed it when he had the car. I've since swapped that out for a Forward Look logo round back from 1963. Eventually I'll find a 1960 wide fin round back and I'll be completely kosher.
I would otherwise live with a generator on any old car and I do because it belongs there. In the case of the F an alternator could have been there. Generators are rude, crude machines, rotating coils have to conduct full output via a spinning switch and carbon brushes. Alternators make all the juice in the stationary coils, brushes only there to conduct smallish current through slip rings to the rotating field coil. So much better. Less weight, more power at lower RPM, difference between a candle and an incandescent light bulb.
And with AC that you are going to use? Alternator is the way to go. GM went to its first alternator usage on 1962 Chevy & Pontiac with AC, across the board the following year. Delco knew something.
Danny Plotkin
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