Hand-holding with Power Steering Pump rebuild?

From: RandalPark@xxxxxxx

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:57:36 -0400

$160.00 sounds too high. What year is your car? The power steering pump for '59-'68 (and possibly longer) will interchange and is VERY available. This would not necessarily be so for '58 and before. I bought a rebuilt one for my '62 last November, with the pulley installed, for around $40.00. I had to reuse my resevior. I am sure that you could find a used one that would work and maybe for less money. Paul In a message dated 4/13/2004 8:26:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, creesto@xxxxxxxxxx writes: > > > I am faced with either paying someone to rebuild my power steering pump for > $160, buying a used replacment for $75 or attempting to rebuild it myself. > The guy who wants $160 indicated that it was fairly involved, but that might > just be 'selling' trouble. I am on a tight budget and would be willing to > try it myself, except I don't have a pulley-puller or an arbor press to put > it back on. Can someone convince me I should still attempt it? PLEASE?! > > > From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (List Server) > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:27:28 -0700 > > Subject: IML DIGEST > > > > This is the digest version of the Imperial Mailing List. To receive messages > > individually, send an email to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with the following > > in the body of your message: > > > > set mode standard mailing-list > > > > To unsubscribe entirely, visit: > > http://imperialclub.com/IML-Specific/unsubscribe.htm > > > > If you have been switched to digest mode without your consent and you want >to > > know why, visit: > > http://imperialclub.com/IML-Specific/autodigest.htm > > > > > > | > > | > > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > > | > > | > > > > From: "Larry Noska" <lnoska@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: IML: Dads 82 Water Pump > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:05:56 -0700 > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Does any body have thoughts about a new water pump over a rebuilt water > > Pump? New is $34.00 rebuilt is $17.00 at Napa. > > > > The FSM said to use correct pump since pump impeller must be compatible with > > the drive ratio provided by pulley system. The Napa parts person said only > > one pump was in the book. I did reference a 1982 Imperial. > > > > Lawrence R Noska > > lnoska@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > Hauser, ID 83854 > > > > > > > > | > > | > > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > > | > > | > > > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:07:33 -0500 > > From: Brad Hogg <roadhogg@xxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: IML: NYBeater > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Speaking of my fleet, I (with the help of Darryl Kippen and my neighbour) > > managed to get my 78 Newport and 76 NYB out of their winter sleeping > > quarters tonight. What started as, "I wonder if the ice has gone down > > enough to at least get the Newporker to rock back and forth!" ended in, "Now > > that we have the Newporker out all we have to to do get the NYB out is...". > > > > The cars are nicely parked end to end in my driveway along with the blue 78 > > at the far end. The white 77 got shunted onto the street while the 90 > > Imperial is snug in the garage. Now that I have all this extra space.... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James" <nyb@xxxxxxx> > > To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:56 PM > > Subject: Re: IML: NYBeater > > > > > > Aw, come on Brad, you can't have a monopoly on the term NYBeater. But > > seriously, thanks for the compliment. > > > > | > > | > > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > > | > > | > > > > From: "Steve B." <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: RE: IML: Dads 82 Water Pump > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:22:23 -0400 > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Does any body have thoughts about a new water pump over a rebuilt water > > Pump? New is $34.00 rebuilt is $17.00 at Napa. > > > > > > For that price go with the new pump. Rebuilts are pretty dang good but > > the antifreeze you loose would cost you the difference in the pump > > price. > > > > Steve B. > > > > > > | > > | > > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > > | > > | > > > > From: "Clint and Laurie Carter" <laurielu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: IML: Dads 82 Water Pump > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:31:57 -0700 > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > After selling auto parts for 18 years, Larry,I can tell you, go with the new > > pump. Fuel and water. The difference is not that great. > > Clint & Laurie Carter > > 59 Crown > > aka Laurie's Pink Lady > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry Noska" <lnoska@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: "Imperial Club" <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:05 PM > > Subject: IML: Dads 82 Water Pump > > > > > >> Does any body have thoughts about a new water pump over a rebuilt water > >> Pump? New is $34.00 rebuilt is $17.00 at Napa. > >> > >> The FSM said to use correct pump since pump impeller must be compatible > > with > >> the drive ratio provided by pulley system. The Napa parts person said > > only > >> one pump was in the book. I did reference a 1982 Imperial. > >> > >> Lawrence R Noska > >> lnoska@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Hauser, ID 83854 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > | > > | > > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > > | > > | > > > > From: "Steve B." <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: RE: IML: Actual Current Prices Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door > > Hardtops > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:34:32 -0400 > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C420DE.564AAEA0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="us-ascii" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop. > > > > > > > > The prices on the '59 page are getting a bit stale. I will go get a new > > copy of the pricing guide and updating the prices for you or you can get > > one yourself at most any big book store. Old Car Price Guide is the one > > to look for. > > > > > > > > I see actual selling prices all over the place. Watch e-bay and the > > other on-line places for a while to get a feel for the prices. My > > advice would be to buy the best possible car you can find. '59 and '60 > > pieces are extremely rare. NOS is impossible to find or priced out of > > the ballpark and repro stuff just doesn't exist. Lots of pot metal was > > used and it is costly to refinish. To give you an idea of prices two > > '59 mirrors recently sold on e-bay. Both were NOS and looked to be in > > perfect shape. The driver side went over $500 and the passenger side > > wasn't far behind.. > > > > > > > > The up side to this is that people notice the car. My '59 is pretty > > much a basket case. Yet I can still take my car to the local show and > > people will run past $40k Chevys to come see the old girl with the > > tattered interior and tired paint. This always makes up for the > > scarcity of parts. > > > > > > > > Steve B. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C420DE.564AAEA0 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="us-ascii" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > <html> > > > > <head> > > <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = > > charset=3Dus-ascii"> > > > > > > <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> > > > > <style> > >  > > </style> > > > > </head> > > > > <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> > > > > <div class=3DSection1> > > > > <div> > > > > <div> > > > > <div> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = > > face=3D"Times New Roman"><span > > style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - 1960 = > > Imperial 4 > > Door Hardtop.</span></font></p> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size: > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size: > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The prices on the ’59 page = > > are > > getting a bit stale. I will go get a new copy of the pricing guide = > > and > > updating the prices for you or you can get one yourself at most any big = > > book > > store. Old Car Price Guide is the one to look = > > for.</span></font></p> > > > > </div> > > > > <div> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = > > color=3Dnavy > > face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = > > style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size: > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I see actual selling prices all = > > over the > > place. Watch e-bay and the other on-line places for a while to get = > > a feel > > for the prices. My advice would be to buy the best possible car = > > you can > > find. ’59 and ’60 pieces are extremely rare. NOS = > > is > > impossible to find or priced out of the ballpark and repro stuff just = > > doesn’t > > exist. Lots of pot metal was used and it is costly to = > > refinish. To > > give you an idea of prices two ’59 mirrors recently sold on = > > e-bay. > > Both were NOS and looked to be in perfect shape. The driver side = > > went > > over $500 and the passenger side wasn’t far = > > behind….</span></font></p> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size: > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size: > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The up side to this is that people = > > notice > > the car. My ’59 is pretty much a basket case… = > > Yet I can > > still take my car to the local show and people will run past $40k Chevys = > > to > > come see the old girl with the tattered interior and tired paint. = > > This > > always makes up for the scarcity of parts.</span></font></p> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size: > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size: > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> = > > &= > > nbsp; &n= > > bsp; &nb= > > sp; > > </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; > > font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steve B.</span></font></p> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size: > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > > style=3D'font-size: > > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > > > </div> > > > > </div> > > > > </div> > > > > </div> > > > > </body> > > > > </html> > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C420DE.564AAEA0-- > > > > > > | > > | > > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > > | > > | > > > > From: "Hugh & Therese" <hugtrees@xxxxxxxx> > > Subject: IML: 392 in pieces > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:38:56 -0500 > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Hi folks, > > > > I got to se my 58's 392 Hemi in pieces today. Fascinating stuff. I'm > > pinched for time this second but can say I was right, it needed a ring job. > > The cylinder walls look fine but there is some scarring on one or two of the > > pistons and also on the bearings that attach to the crank shaft. They gave > > me a list of desirable actions to take from this point but . . . > > > > There is a huge crack in the block !!!! It's old, very old and does not > > seem to have reached the cylinders. They want to take the block to a shop > > and find out the best thing to do with it. It probably reaches the water > > jacket but I know for a fact it doesn't leak. > > > > I thought the car had been seriously worked on before. This kind of damage > > comes from freezing, not over heating so it is not related to the cracked > > head of a few years ago. > > > > I took some pictures of the engine and of the car, which looks very high up > > in the front end, for some reason! Getting heat from the "boss." Gotta go. > > > > Hugh > > > > > > | > > | > > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > > | > > | > > > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:02:04 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Martin Karson <mkei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: RE: IML: Actual Current Prices Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door > > Hardtops > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > --0-641031179-1081825324=:3590 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Steve B. thanks for the help. I will follow with the price guides as well > > as E Bay. Had no idea the parts were so out of sight. Many thanks for your > > insight into pricing and availability. Marty Karson > > > > "Steve B." <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop. > > > > > > > > The prices on the �59 page are getting a bit stale. I will go get a new >copy > > of the pricing guide and updating the prices for you or you can get one > > yourself at most any big book store. Old Car Price Guide is the one to look > > for. > > > > > > > > > > I see actual selling prices all over the place. Watch e-bay and the other > > on-line places for a while to get a feel for the prices. My advice would be > > to buy the best possible car you can find. �59 and �60 pieces are extremely > > rare. NOS is impossible to find or priced out of the ballpark and repro >stuff > > just doesn�t exist. Lots of pot metal was used and it is costly to >refinish. > > To give you an idea of prices two �59 mirrors recently sold on e-bay. Both > > were NOS and looked to be in perfect shape. The driver side went over $500 > > and the passenger side wasn�t far behind�. > > > > > > > > The up side to this is that people notice the car. My �59 is pretty much a > > basket case� Yet I can still take my car to the local show and people will > > run past $40k Chevys to come see the old girl with the tattered interior and > > tired paint. This always makes up for the scarcity of parts. > > > > > > > > Steve B. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --0-641031179-1081825324=:3590 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > > > > <DIV>Steve B. thanks for the help. I will follow with the > > price guides as well as E Bay. Had no idea the parts were so out of > > sight. Many thanks for your insight into pricing and > > availability. Marty Karson<BR><BR><B><I>"Steve B." > > <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B> wrote: > > <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; > > BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> > > <META content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)" name=Generator> > > <STYLE> > >  > > </STYLE> > > > > <DIV class=Section1> > > <DIV> > > <DIV> > > <DIV> > > <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" > > size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - > > 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop.</SPAN></FONT></P> > > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN >style="FONT-SIZE: > > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN >style="FONT-SIZE: > > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The prices on the �59 page are >getting > > a bit stale. I will go get a new copy of the pricing guide and updating > > the prices for you or you can get one yourself at most any big book > > store. Old Car Price Guide is the one to look > > for.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> > > <DIV> > > <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" > > color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: > > navy"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN >style="FONT-SIZE: > > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I see actual selling prices all over > > the place. Watch e-bay and the other on-line places for a while to get a > > feel for the prices. My advice would be to buy the best possible car you > > can find. �59 and �60 pieces are extremely rare. NOS is impossible > > to find or priced out of the ballpark and repro stuff just doesn�t > > exist. Lots of pot metal was used and it is costly to refinish. To > > give you an idea of prices two �59 mirrors recently sold on e-bay. Both > > were NOS and looked to be in perfect shape. The driver side went over > > $500 and the passenger side wasn�t far behind�.</SPAN></FONT></P> > > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN >style="FONT-SIZE: > > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN >style="FONT-SIZE: > > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The up side to this is that people > > notice the car. My �59 is pretty much a basket case� Yet I can > > still take my car to the local show and people will run past $40k Chevys to > > come see the old girl with the tattered interior and tired paint. This > > always makes up for the scarcity of parts.</SPAN></FONT></P> > > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN >style="FONT-SIZE: > > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN >style="FONT-SIZE: > > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: > > Arial"> &nbsp > > ; &nbsp > > ; &nbsp > > ; > > </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: >10pt; > > COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve B.</SPAN></FONT></P> > > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN >style="FONT-SIZE: > > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN >style="FONT-SIZE: > > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: > > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> > > --0-641031179-1081825324=:3590-- > > | > > | > > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > > | > > | > > > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:45:09 -0700 > > From: "A. Foster" <monkeypuzzle1@xxxxxxx> > > Subject: Re: IML: Actual Current Prices Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door > > Hardtops > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > --Boundary_(ID_YhtQmeBPgbMOv/DnGLO8XA) > > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > > Martin; > > I wouldn't worry about one or two Ebay auctions on 59' parts; all it takes >is > > two or three guys to get auction fever and the winner, if he pays up, can >wind > > up paying double what something is worth. On top of that some people enter >the > > wrong bid amount or don't know the proxy bid system is supposed to work, and > > the odd unscrupulous seller still engages in shill bidding. I have seen some > > items pop up for auction several times that were supposedly sold, likely for > > the above reasons. > > The truth being is that most Imperials use the same rear view mirrors as >their > > lesser Chrysler, DeSoto, and sometimes Dodge counterparts. You will find >that > > there are other parts that are interchangable as well. > > The best advice that I can give, and this goes with other things as well, is > > to buy the most complete and original car that you can find. Contrary to >what > > many might think this can mean a number three rated car or a better number > > four rated car. I also wouldn't worry about a car that has fancy aftermarket > > rims, so long as they didn't mess with the drive train or shave the trim and > > chuck it out. There is an online price guide at this address: > > www.vmrintl.com/cctm/coll_frame.htm > > Unlike some price guides that I have seen they base their values on market > > research and not a theoretical ideal. > > Best Regards > > Arran Foster > > 1954 Imperial Newport > > Needing A Left Side Tailight Bezel and other trim parts. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Martin Karson > > To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:02 PM > > Subject: RE: IML: Actual Current Prices Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door > > Hardtops > > > > > > Steve B. thanks for the help. I will follow with the price guides as well > > as E Bay. Had no idea the parts were so out of sight. Many thanks for your > > insight into pricing and availability. Marty Karson > > > > "Steve B." <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop. > > > > > > > > The prices on the '59 page are getting a bit stale. I will go get a new >copy > > of the pricing guide and updating the prices for you or you can get one > > yourself at most any big book store. Old Car Price Guide is the one to look > > for. > > > > > > > > I see actual selling prices all over the place. Watch e-bay and the other > > on-line places for a while to get a feel for the prices. My advice would be > > to buy the best possible car you can find. '59 and '60 pieces are extremely > > rare. NOS is impossible to find or priced out of the ballpark and repro >stuff > > just doesn't exist. Lots of pot metal was used and it is costly to >refinish. > > To give you an idea of prices two '59 mirrors recently sold on e-bay. Both > > were NOS and looked to be in perfect shape. The driver side went over $500 > > and the passenger side wasn't far behind.. > > > > > > > > The up side to this is that people notice the car. My '59 is pretty much a > > basket case. Yet I can still take my car to the local show and people will > > run past $40k Chevys to come see the old girl with the tattered interior and > > tired paint. This always makes up for the scarcity of parts. > > > > > > > > Steve B. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Boundary_(ID_YhtQmeBPgbMOv/DnGLO8XA) > > Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > > <HTML><HEAD> > > <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> > > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT = > > size=3D3>Martin</FONT>;</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <FONT size=3D3>I wouldn't worry = > > about one or=20 > > two Ebay auctions on 59' parts; all it takes is two or three guys to get = > > auction=20 > > fever and the winner, if he pays up, can wind up paying double what = > > something is=20 > > worth. On top of that some people enter the wrong bid amount or don't = > > know the=20 > > proxy bid system is supposed to work, and the odd unscrupulous seller = > > still=20 > > engages in shill bidding. I have seen some items pop up for auction = > > several=20 > > times that were supposedly sold, likely for the above=20 > > reasons.</FONT></FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3> The truth being is = > > that most=20 > > Imperials use the same rear view mirrors as their lesser Chrysler, = > > DeSoto, and=20 > > sometimes Dodge counterparts. You will find that there are other parts = > > that are=20 > > interchangable as well. </FONT></FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3> The best advice = > > that I can give,=20 > > and this goes with other things as well, is to buy the most complete and = > > > > original car that you can find. Contrary to what many might think this = > > can mean=20 > > a number three rated car or a better number four rated car. I also = > > wouldn't=20 > > worry about a car that has fancy aftermarket rims, so long as they = > > didn't=20 > > mess with the drive train or shave the trim and chuck it out. There = > > is an=20 > > online price guide at this address: <A=20 > > href=3D"http://www.vmrintl.com/cctm/coll_frame.htm";>www.vmrintl.com/cctm/= > > coll_frame.htm</A></FONT></FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Unlike some price guides that I have seen they = > > base their=20 > > values on market research and not a theoretical ideal.</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Best Regards</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Arran Foster</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>1954 Imperial Newport</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Needing A Left Side Tailight Bezel and other = > > trim=20 > > parts.</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV> > > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 > > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = > > BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> > > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> > > <DIV=20 > > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = > > black"><B>From:</B>=20 > > <A title=3Dmkei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = > > href=3D"mailto:mkei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Martin Karson</A>=20 > > </DIV> > > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 > > title=3Dmailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > > = > > href=3D"mailto:mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx= > > om</A>=20 > > </DIV> > > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 12, 2004 = > > 8:02=20 > > PM</DIV> > > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: IML: Actual = > > Current Prices=20 > > Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtops</DIV> > > <DIV><BR></DIV> > > <DIV>Steve B. thanks for the help. I will follow = > > with the=20 > > price guides as well as E Bay. Had no idea the parts were so out = > > of=20 > > sight. Many thanks for your insight into pricing and=20 > > availability. Marty Karson<BR><BR><B><I>"Steve B." <<A=20 > > = > > href=3D"mailto:imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>= > > ></I></B>=20 > > wrote:=20 > > <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20 > > style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px = > > solid"> > > <META content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)" name=3DGenerator> > > <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in = > > 1.0in 1.25in; } > > P.MsoNormal { > > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" > > } > > LI.MsoNormal { > > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" > > } > > DIV.MsoNormal { > > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" > > } > > A:link { > > COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline > > } > > SPAN.MsoHyperlink { > > COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline > > } > > A:visited { > > COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline > > } > > SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { > > COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline > > } > > SPAN.EmailStyle17 { > > COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial > > } > > DIV.Section1 { > > page: Section1 > > } > > </STYLE> > > > > <DIV class=3DSection1> > > <DIV> > > <DIV> > > <DIV> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = > > face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 > > size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm very interested in = > > buying a 1959 -=20 > > 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop.</SPAN></FONT></P> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The = > > prices on the=20 > > =9259 page are getting a bit stale. I will go get a new copy = > > of the=20 > > pricing guide and updating the prices for you or you can get one = > > yourself at=20 > > most any big book store. Old Car Price Guide is the one to = > > look=20 > > for.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> > > <DIV> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = > > face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 > > color=3Dnavy size=3D3><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I see = > > actual=20 > > selling prices all over the place. Watch e-bay and the other = > > on-line=20 > > places for a while to get a feel for the prices. My advice = > > would be to=20 > > buy the best possible car you can find. =9259 and =9260 pieces = > > are=20 > > extremely rare. NOS is impossible to find or priced out of the = > > > > ballpark and repro stuff just doesn=92t exist. Lots of pot = > > metal was=20 > > used and it is costly to refinish. To give you an idea of = > > prices two=20 > > =9259 mirrors recently sold on e-bay. Both were NOS and looked = > > to be in=20 > > perfect shape. The driver side went over $500 and the = > > passenger side=20 > > wasn=92t far behind=85.</SPAN></FONT></P> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The up = > > side to this=20 > > is that people notice the car. My =9259 is pretty much a = > > basket=20 > > case=85 Yet I can still take my car to the local show and = > > people will=20 > > run past $40k Chevys to come see the old girl with the tattered = > > interior and=20 > > tired paint. This always makes up for the scarcity of=20 > > parts.</SPAN></FONT></P> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > > Arial"> = > > &= > > nbsp; &n= > > bsp; &nb= > > sp; =20 > > </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve=20 > > B.</SPAN></FONT></P> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV= > >> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> > > > > --Boundary_(ID_YhtQmeBPgbMOv/DnGLO8XA)-- > > | > > | > > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > > | > > | > > > > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:18:07 -0400 > > From: RandalPark@xxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: IML: 392 in pieces > > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > I don't know how you can tell that a cracked block got that way by freezing >or > > by overheating. I know that the block in my '65 Imperial was cracked when I > > got it. It never leaked, but it was a BIG crack. It had come from over >heating > > and there was other evidence as well, such as broken rings, bearing damage, > > and , oh yes, the proverbial characteristic remains of a mammoth trailer > > hitch. > > > > I replaced mine. I don't think that I would ever repair or pay to have > > repaired a cracked cylinder block unless a replacement was absolutely > > unobtainable. I know that they can be fixed and if done right, very well, in > > fact. The trouble is, not only would it not be as good as a block that was > > never cracked in the first place, but I would always know that it was >cracked. > > If I had to sell the car, I would never feel right about it unless I told > > everyone. Guess what, then they probably wouldn't buy it. > > > > I highly recommend that you replace your block, Hugh. It will be a better > > engine job in the long run. > > > > Paul > > > > In a message dated 4/12/2004 10:38:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > hugtrees@xxxxxxxx writes: > > > >> > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> I got to se my 58's 392 Hemi in pieces today. Fascinating stuff. I'm > >> pinched for time this second but can say I was right, it needed a ring job. > >> The cylinder walls look fine but there is some scarring on one or two of >the > >> pistons and also on the bearings that attach to the crank shaft. They gave > >> me a list of desirable actions to take from this point but . . . > >> > >> There is a huge crack in the block !!!! It's old, very old and does not > >> seem to have reached the cylinders. They want to take the block to a shop > >> and find out the best thing to do with it. It probably reaches the water > >> jacket but I know for a fact it doesn't leak. > >> > >> I thought the car had been seriously worked on before. This kind of damage > >> comes from freezing, not over heating so it is not related to the cracked > >> head of a few years ago. > >> > >> I took some pictures of the engine and of the car, which looks very high up > >> in the front end, for some reason! Getting heat from the "boss." Gotta >go. > >> > >> Hugh > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- > >> This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please > >> reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be > >> shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the > >> Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to > >> http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm > > | > > | > > |

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